Official Playoff Game Thread: Hawks at Celtics -- GAME 5

[Wretch]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

Yes really. If you actually quote the whole of what I said, I also said we could win if Boston suddenly goes cold.  Which they did. NO ONE SAID THiS: 

Setting aside your idiotic assertion that we aren't Hawk fans, you continually (deliberately I presume) twist what is said. You are an out and out LIAR.  When @Dieseland I said the above, we were talking about full game strategy.  I specifically said the Hawks didn't have it in them to consistently defend them.  The Celtics shot 53% from the Field.  How is that stopping them?  They did, however, all of a sudden shoot only 31.6% from 3pt which is EXACTLY. WHAT. I. SAID. COULD. HAPPEN.  They went cold from 3pt. It happens.  Unless you are asserting that the Hawks all of a sudden defended the 3 ball last night (which they didn't do any better than any other time this series).  

Yes, the Hawks got stops late in the game.  Yes, that was, in part, due to good plays by Hunter and Trae on two steals.  But they also had Jaylen Brown throw the ball out of bounds.  They also had missed shots that they typically make.  To sit here and try to say that the Hawks can now defend Boston consistently based on that is utterly disingenuous.  

 

Come out of there dude...lol.

I had typed up something this morning and deleted it.  It was in response to how anyone could find a way to take shots at Trae after that performance.  Crazy thing is, in that would-be post, I literally used the words "magic wand" to describe how some people think defense is applied in the NBA - I hadn't even read all of the back and forth here.  It's interesting to get confirmation like that.

Tatum and Brown torch teams on a nightly basis and are surrounded by shooters.  You don't "stop" a contender.  You hit your shots and TRY to slow the other team down.  You can't win if you can't shoot and it's really the end of the discussion.  We know this.

It does make me rub my head sometimes, but I'm not trying to lose braincells over this so I  have just avoided certain conversations altogether.

[AHF]

So close...

Probably wishes he had covered his eyes.

[Final_quest]

21 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Don’t forget we were supposed to lose to Miami who crushed Trae and had him all figured out.  The law of the mid means we can’t be under 50%. So our odds of winning it all are still pretty great. Lol 

We can’t reach mid until next series.  If Boston wins either of the next two games, our season doesn’t end with a .500 record.

[REHawksFan]

3 minutes ago, Wretch said:

Come out of there dude...lol.

I had typed up something this morning and deleted it.  It was in response to how anyone could find a way to take shots at Trae after that performance.  Crazy thing is, in that would-be post, I literally used the words "magic wand" to describe how some people think defense is applied in the NBA - I hadn't even read all of the back and forth here.  It's interesting to get confirmation like that.

Tatum and Brown torch teams on a nightly basis and are surrounded by shooters.  You don't "stop" a contender.  You hit your shots and TRY to slow the other team down.  You can't win if you can't shoot and it's really the end of the discussion.  We know this.

It does make me rub my head sometimes, but I'm not trying to lose braincells over this so I  have just avoided certain conversations altogether.

Exactly. Teams like Boston are rarely stopped. Hell they scored 117 pts and shot 53%, but sure, the Hawks D won that game. Good grief.

I just get caught engaging a certain poster who routinely spins and twists words like a 12 yo. Bottom line is the Hawks made their shots, played enough defense down the stretch, and got a little help with some missed shots from Boston. 

[RandomFan]

23 minutes ago, AHF said:

So close...

Probably wishes he had covered his eyes.

So glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. 

[kg01]

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

Kendrick Perkins is the only person I've heard today talk about Trae Young being disrespected and never given credit for his game.  The BSPN panel looked at him like he went off script and didn't even acknowledge what he said, they went straight to Celtics talk.
 

 

I hate BSPN but that right there was some fair, truth-tellin'.  Of course, the bobblehead wants to talk about the Janet Jackson concert.

57 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Yeah I went on a youtube search and you should here all the surprise and excuses. They even keep bringing up old false reports about trades and likability. Perk is callem out quit with the fictional narrative. Oh by the way, what is Luka doing?

Tell em, MurrayLand! 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Agree or disagree?

 

 

[BrazilianHawk]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Very True, he wasn't perfect/great the entire game, but it wasn't because of 'selfishness' - that's my main issue with your comment. 

I might be lacking some better word for that as I'm no native English speaker but I think a player who takes as many shots as he did without even thinking about passing to others who might have better shots qualifies as 'selfish'. The first half was really hard to watch, it was all about him. Bogi had 2 or 3 shots maybe? 

It's not that Trae being selfish (for lack of a better word) will always fail. It worked great last night, so there's that. He won the game for us this time, and I'm happy with the outcome. On to Thursday. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, BrazilianHawk said:

I might be lacking some better word for that as I'm no native English speaker but I think a player who takes as many shots as he did without even thinking about passing to others who might have better shots qualifies as 'selfish'. The first half was really hard to watch, it was all about him. Bogi had 2 or 3 shots maybe? 

It's not that Trae being selfish (for lack of a better word) will always fail. It worked great last night, so there's that. He won the game for us this time, and I'm happy with the outcome. On to Thursday. 

Use Tunnel Vision.

[HawkLove0]

So we are really going to crown Trae Young for last nights performance like he is LeBron? So many people chiming in today, even his teammates, about that "clutch" game.  What's clutch about 5/13 3 pointers and 5 turnovers. Isn't he the reason why the game got close in the first place??? He literally missed three 3-pointers before those final 2 he made. It was luck when he got those. Luck! That's his game in a nut shell launching threes and turn overs. 

[sturt]

3 minutes ago, HawkLove0 said:

It was luck when he got those. Luck! That's his game in a nut shell launching threes and turn overs. 

 

3 minutes ago, HawkLove0 said:

So we are really going to crown Trae Young for last nights performance like he is LeBron?

 

The truth is somewhere between those humongous extremes. (Of course.)

What I like is that Trae came out of that game with some of his swagger regained. He was, by almost any measure, hoisting the team on his shoulders through most of the 2021 playoffs--and to the point, a serious team needs that kind of confidence exuding from its highest ceiling player.

 

[Final_quest]

Trae might get a lot of disrespect, but he also owns about a billion dollars of real estate in people's heads.  With all of his shot taking, twirls, and fancy passes.  

We should just run him right out of town!

[kg01]

5 minutes ago, sturt said:

 

 

The truth is somewhere between those humongous extremes. (Of course.)

What I like is that Trae came out of that game with some of his swagger regained. He was, by almost any measure, hoisting the team on his shoulders through most of the 2021 playoffs--and to the point, a serious team needs that kind of confidence exuding from its highest ceiling player.

 

I dunno.  I think I need to hear more from this @HawkLove0 cat.  Sounds like he's got it all figured. 

[BrazilianHawk]

2 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Trae had 25+ FGA 10 times this year:

1. 15-32/5-10/ 42 pts / 1.31 pts per att
2. 10-28/2-5/ 22 pts / 0.79 ppa
3. 13-28/4-10/ 44 pts / 1.57 ppa
4. 12-27/4-11/ 35 pts / 1.30 ppa
5. 9-26/2-9/ 34 pts / 1.31 ppa
6. 12-26/1-5/ 34 pts / 1.31 ppa 
7. 11-26/2-6/ 31 pts / 1.19 ppa
8. 9-25/2-8/ 28 pts / 1.12 ppa
9. 12-25/2-7/ 33 pts / 1.32 ppa
10. 15-25/1-4/ 41 pts / 1.64 ppa

He sucked in the 3 bolded games.  Acknowledged.  

Now you need to acknowledge that you don't like Trae and are just looking for reasons to complain about him even when he's literally the reason the TEAM won.  

Huh? Why would I acknowledge something that's obviously false? I don't dislike Trae but I think there are plenty of better players than him and I will criticize him when I think he plays poorly for the Hawks. In my first 'infuriating' post I said he played "well" and somehow gave us the win with that shot (which is low percentage). And that I was happy with that.

The reason the team won was not only Trae. Bogi, JC, Hunter, all had good to great showings. The team won because all of them. 

Hell, the team won because Dre banked a three that should've been an ugly miss. The team won because all of a sudden JC started hitting threes. And the team won because Trae played great in the 4th. But some people only have eyes to Trae. Some treat him like a god or something. That's fine of course, to each his own, but that's just not me. 

[JayBirdHawk]

20 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I dunno.  I think I need to hear more from this @HawkLove0 cat.  Sounds like he's got it all figured. 

Here's @HawkLove0 thoughts on Squawk posters being hard on Hawks players from way back in 2015....but yet, here we are.  Interesting, very interesting.

On 2/7/2015 at 1:26 PM, HawkLove0 said:

I been reading this Hawks forum for several years and recently joined since the team started doing so well.  I have several observation that I would like to share with the community.

 

1) The Posters here on Hawksquawk are really hard on their players...I noticed several people have been very critical of some of our main players for a very long time like Jeff Teague and Al Horford..And I found it curious

 

2) Posters here seem to have finally let the Chris Paul draft go which took a long time even though the Chis Paul led teams have never done anything of note.

 

3) It seems like the posters here are still undergoing some type of healing process for past crimes and isn't yet totally ready to trust this team.  i.e. The lost to the Pelican seem to open old wounds.

 

4) The Fans are sensitive to others questioning their dedication to the team even though when compared to other team's fan, Atlanta fans leave a lot to be desired.

 

5) I was reading last summer how many were upset that the team didn't tank the season after missing out on Howard and everybody's favorite Chis Paul.  I never understood why a fan base would wish that upon themselves seeing the numerous failed attempts in the past to win in that fashion.  Heck even Oklahoma City is not looking so good these days with the threat of Durant going elsewhere after a disappointing 2015 season.

 

6) Finally,  I think that posters are waiting for the opportunity to question this team's personnel.  I find that odd because the minute someone from the outside does, there is an immediate reaction.  Conversely, after the hawks team losses a game,  Posters here seize the moment to express how they really feel about this team and the lack of confidence they have in this current product going forward.

 

 

[REHawksFan]

5 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Huh? Why would I acknowledge something that's obviously false? I don't dislike Trae but I think there are plenty of better players than him and I will criticize him when I think he plays poorly for the Hawks. In my first 'infuriating' post I said he played "well" and somehow gave us the win with that shot (which is low percentage). And that I was happy with that.

The reason the team won was not only Trae. Bogi, JC, Hunter, all had good to great showings. The team won because all of them. 

Hell, the team won because Dre banked a three that should've been an ugly miss. The team won because all of a sudden JC started hitting threes. And the team won because Trae played great in the 4th. But some people only have eyes to Trae. Some treat him like a god or something. That's fine of course, to each his own, but that's just not me. 

Do realize that Q has literally told him to shoot more? It's all about taking open shots, not juat a certain number of shots.  He isn't going rogue out there. He's playing like the coach wants him to. And he doesn't take 33 shots on a regular basis. It's a rare thing 

Finally, no one thinks he's a God. He gets the lions share of the criticism from certain posters and always has. And because of that, some of us have developed a little bit of rabbit ears in defending him against the constant criticisms. 

And yeah, saying selfish is what set a lot of folks off with that original comment. 

[BrazilianHawk]

2 hours ago, Final_quest said:

Kendrick Perkins is the only person I've heard today talk about Trae Young being disrespected and never given credit for his game.  The BSPN panel looked at him like he went off script and didn't even acknowledge what he said, they went straight to Celtics talk.
 

 

That's some well deserved Trae praise from Perkins. Respect. 

[Spud2nique]

6 hours ago, kg01 said:

Hmmmm ....

My special lady’s mom?