Official Playoff Game Thread: Hawks at Celtics -- GAME 5

[BrazilianHawk]

24 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's @HawkLove0 thoughts on Squawk posters being hard on Hawks players from way back in 2015....but yet, here we are.  Interesting, very interesting.

 

There's some serious PI work in unearthing a post like that. 

2015??? This lady bird must be keeping tabs on every 'sus' squawk poster. 

[BrazilianHawk]

21 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Do realize that Q has literally told him to shoot more? It's all about taking open shots, not juat a certain number of shots.  He isn't going rogue out there. He's playing like the coach wants him to. And he doesn't take 33 shots on a regular basis. It's a rare thing 

Finally, no one thinks he's a God. He gets the lions share of the criticism from certain posters and always has. And because of that, some of us have developed a little bit of rabbit ears in defending him against the constant criticisms. 

And yeah, saying selfish is what set a lot of folks off with that original comment. 

Fine. He gets all of the criticism because the vast majority of the fan base believes he has the tools to do much better when he plays poorly. Getting smothered on the paint every other possession when you're down 10 will get some fans pissed off. 

But I can see now 'selfish' was a bad word. That's on me, my bad. 

[kg01]

15 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

My special lady’s mom?

No, I didn't know yall were squawk-official yet. 

12 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

There's some serious PI work in unearthing a post like that. 

2015??? This lady bird must be keeping tabs on every 'sus' squawk poster. 

Haha, you nervous? 

[sturt]

14 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

This lady bird must be keeping tabs on every 'sus' squawk poster. 

 

Secret cam caught Jay's reaction...

[kg01]

42 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's @HawkLove0 thoughts on Squawk posters being hard on Hawks players from way back in 2015....but yet, here we are.  Interesting, very interesting.

 

Geez, how much does a person have to hate life to come to a site to try and stamp out other folks happiness? 

[terrell]

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's more than just the winning shot though:

3 point shot to get within 3

Steal from Smart

3 point shot to tie the game

4 clutch freethrows

3 point shot for the win - this doesn't happen without the stuff prior.

The ball stuck to his hands too much late imo, but.....

Trae played 44 and half minutes.

And he still delivered ON BOTH ends of the floor.

He had an absolutely invaluable rebound and a tap, plus a steal, all in the 4th.

He was 2 way Trae in the 4th last night..... lol

Never thought I would say that. 

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by terrell

[Diesel]

5 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

So your conclusion is that Boston just went cold rather than Hawk good defense

It's interesting that the Hawks defensive stand took place at the same time that they started hitting shots consistently. 

You know.. offense helping the defense. 

 

[Diesel]

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

Oh by the way, what is Luka doing?

Perfecting his snack game. 

 

[Diesel]

I'll say it...

We've been giving JJ the biggest pass. 

He's been our worse shooter on the floor.  His defense has been raggedy. Yet, we are ready to turn over the keys to him.  I say.. NOT Yet. 

 

[AHF]

3 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

And yeah, saying selfish is what set a lot of folks off with that original comment. 

For me, it is a very fair statement to question whether that kind of approach from Trae is bad for the team over the long haul just like you could question Kobe going iso.  There are games where that is needed but I actually agree it isn’t how you regularly want to play.  But the use of the word “selfish” carried a much bigger connotation and it’s one I haven’t seen an indication of from Coach Quin.  If Snyder is telling him not to shoot and he is shooting to boost his own stats and ego then I’m good with the use of that word.  But if Quin is encouraging him to take control then I think use of that word is highly inappropriate where criticism of that strategy would be fair game without calling the player selfish.

[AHF]

3 hours ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Fine. He gets all of the criticism because the vast majority of the fan base believes he has the tools to do much better when he plays poorly. Getting smothered on the paint every other possession when you're down 10 will get some fans pissed off. 

But I can see now 'selfish' was a bad word. That's on me, my bad. 

Liked this.  Should have finished catching up before posting.

[REHawksFan]

3 minutes ago, AHF said:

For me, it is a very fair statement to question whether that kind of approach from Trae is bad for the team over the long haul just like you could question Kobe going iso.  There are games where that is needed but I actually agree it isn’t how you regularly want to play.  But the use of the word “selfish” carried a much bigger connotation and it’s one I haven’t seen an indication of from Coach Quin.  If Snyder is telling him not to shoot and he is shooting to boost his own stats and ego then I’m good with the use of that word.  But if Quin is encouraging him to take control then I think use of that word is highly inappropriate where criticism of that strategy would be fair game without calling the player selfish.

Yeah. But all indications from Quin are that he's encouraging all the guys to shoot as much as possible. And with Trae, to be aggressive with his shot. There's been zero indications that Trae is going against what Quin is coaching. 

[bleachkit]

11 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Agree or disagree?

 

 

Disagree completely. We traded Kevin to avoid the luxury tax. We resigned Bogi because of our dearth of shooting, and because he didn't have much trade value. Kevin had an excellent year, the best of his career. I'm not big on the idea that a handful of playoff games is the end all be all of a player, either good or bad.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

53 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Disagree completely. We traded Kevin to avoid the luxury tax. We resigned Bogi because of our dearth of shooting, and because he didn't have much trade value. Kevin had an excellent year, the best of his career. I'm not big on the idea that a handful of playoff games is the end all be all of a player, either good or bad.

Kevin had an excellent season.  Here are his current playoff numbers:

 

5 games - 25 mpg

9 pts - 4.2 rebs - 1.6 asst 

38.5% FG - 16% 3FG - 50% FT

7.3 PER - ( -0.01 ) WS/48 - ( -4.3 ) BPM

 

These numbers are worse than what he put up with us in the Miami series last playoffs.

I'll always have love for Kevin. Amd his Game 7 performance vs Philly makes him a Hawks legend. But there's a reason outside of finances why we chose to part ways with him.

As a shooter, you must be better than what he's showing now. If he doesn't watch himself, he'll be coming off the bench next season with Keegan Murray taking half of his minutes.

[bleachkit]

33 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Kevin had an excellent season.  Here are his current playoff numbers:

 

5 games - 25 mpg

9 pts - 4.2 rebs - 1.6 asst 

38.5% FG - 16% 3FG - 50% FT

7.3 PER - ( -0.01 ) WS/48 - ( -4.3 ) BPM

 

These numbers are worse than what he put up with us in the Miami series last playoffs.

I'll always have love for Kevin. Amd his Game 7 performance vs Philly makes him a Hawks legend. But there's a reason outside of finances why we chose to part ways with him.

As a shooter, you must be better than what he's showing now. If he doesn't watch himself, he'll be coming off the bench next season with Keegan Murray taking half of his minutes.

So this playoff series should define Kevin as a player? That's like saying last year's playoff series with Miami should define Trae. Come on Clyde, you're better than that. 

[Gray Mule]

Kg01 asked what the star of Dallas was doing now?  He's getting in shape, that's what!

(Note:  Round is a shape!)

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

Kg01 asked what the star of Dallas was doing now?  He's getting in shape, that's what!

(Note:  Round is a shape!)

[marco102]

14 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's @HawkLove0 thoughts on Squawk posters being hard on Hawks players from way back in 2015....but yet, here we are.  Interesting, very interesting.

 

[AHF]

11 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Yeah. But all indications from Quin are that he's encouraging all the guys to shoot as much as possible. And with Trae, to be aggressive with his shot. There's been zero indications that Trae is going against what Quin is coaching. 

Fully agree.  I do hope Quin has a new approach to end game offense in mind for next year.  I don't want to see a bunch of iso ball unless we are isolating favorable matchups for good shots.  Generic iso play is generally not very efficient.  

Hope that is part of a larger overhaul where there are more preset actions; more cutting, intentional movement and screens off the ball; etc.  

[marco102]

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

Fully agree.  I do hope Quin has a new approach to end game offense in mind for next year.  I don't want to see a bunch of iso ball unless we are isolating favorable matchups for good shots.  Generic iso play is generally not very efficient.  

Hope that is part of a larger overhaul where there are more preset actions; more cutting, intentional movement and screens off the ball; etc.  

This is what killed the Bucks against Miami last night.