Official Game Thread: heat at Hawks

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

And most of those came in the 1st half.

Quin keeps saying...shoot the ball. Guys gotta be PREPARED to shoot it, stop hesitating and trying to do too much. Let 'er rip.

[JayBirdHawk]

All 21 Turnovers: it's not pretty   

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=TOV&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022300175&PlayerID=0&RangeType=0&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612737&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

 

 

[JeffS17]

1 hour ago, Dnice said:

Schedule after  Mexico? It didn't bother Orlando. 

I don’t understand this narrative either.  Its only a 3 and a half hour flight and one time zone, and we had a day off rest inbetween… we just shit the bed tonight— folded to the pressure the end of bench Heat players put on us

[TheBigETrain]

1 hour ago, benhillboy said:

The Hawks have one of the worst analytic departments in the league.  I’ve long stopped blaming Trae for anything, I knew what he was and what he wasn’t since a rookie.  it’s up to the staff to realize 34 minutes per for his career is insane.  

Sorry but that is a cop out. Trae should not get a pass because he hasn’t improved since his rookie season.

[JayBirdHawk]

Why do we keep having such slow starts?

We have won the 1st quarter in only 2 of the 9 games. 

Where is the focus to start the games, particularlyon defense? And it's usually teams scoring a bunch of 3s on us.

[JeffS17]

1 hour ago, benhillboy said:

The Hawks have one of the worst analytic departments in the league.  I’ve long stopped blaming Trae for anything, I knew what he was and what he wasn’t since a rookie.  it’s up to the staff to realize 34 minutes per for his career is insane.  Once again only Julius Randle is worse among rotation players in field goals subtracted:

 

Factor in his league-leading total turnovers since ‘18:

…and the fact the Hawks assist percentage is virtually unchanged when he’s off the floor for the second straight season:

(+1% last season)

It’s simply poor Basketball Ops.

Trae has been empowered to sell tickets at the expense of winning games since day 1 and that has been a tough genie to put back in the bottle (if Ressler even has a desire to), despite our coaching staffs best efforts.  

[Carmine]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

9 games into the season...Not time to push the panic button yet

This was the same line pushed last year. As long as they make the playoffs, idk if we are play-in champs or not. Would be nice to get a top 6 seed though.

[Carmine]

29 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Trae has been empowered to sell tickets at the expense of winning games since day 1 and that has been a tough genie to put back in the bottle (if Ressler even has a desire to), despite our coaching staffs best efforts.  

Nah he's just "bored". Ice Trae just needs to keep shooting it, he'll break out of this slump soon. I promise!

[Atlantaholic]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

....and yet we had a chance to get back in the game but just couldn't get pass that hump. 

I think it's encouraging they were really fighting hard the entire game after falling behind. 

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

9 games into the season...Not time to push the panic button yet

Wthell.. who is this? 

3 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Its just 1 game.  Hawks weren't ready to play and the Heat were on a mission.  Chalk it up to another learning experience

Whatever you ate today keep eatin it. 

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

called this a trap game with heat starters out.

Thanks and it was which means we have fully matured. Just showing up nightly and giving it and playing OUR GAME no matter the opponent. Shiiiii we woulda lost to me cagey and that one old dude from back in the day that smelled like tequila and cigarettes but had a killer turnaround.

 

Quin needs to walk in there tomorrow and say listen guys.. I don’t care if they roll out Mo, Curly and Larry out there (sorry kg for the stooges ref) but we gotta whoop them 119-2 (the 2 coming off Mo bouncing the off Curly’s head on accident).

Duncan Robinson.. Hightower and some dude that I never heard of in my life wit a pony tail out working us. I want to be know as a grind team, a gutty team with good habits.

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Indeed

You using my “indeeds” now?  

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let 'er rip.

Heard him say that to Garrison last game loved it  

[Sothron]

This was a really bad loss. Frankly inexcusable. Heat didn't have two of their three best players and we still lose...at home.

Team needs to come out quicker. We've basically had to fight out of holes the team digs for itself every game this season.

[Plainview1981]

I get the feeling that Trae only truly understand what he needs to do to get his base numbers. The bottomline is that 4 of the teams 5 starters are supposed to be at least slightly above average on defense. Then OO. Then a head coach that supposedly is about defense. The Hawks still get run over by a team missing its leading scorer, but Trae talks about needing to take more shots.

It's not all on him. OO should be making the push to be a starter, but it's like I said.... Does he have the desire to get there, or his he just happy to be in the NBA? I think that is his biggest problem.

He is not Bam. He doesn't have a beast mode.

JJ has way more desire than him.

 

As for Hunter, he is just a role player.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Plainview1981

[Final_quest]

Frustrating loss for sure.  It’s been a downward trend past three games.  

It’s like this team believes its own hype too easily.  Then they play like the universe owes them success instead of earning it.

[Diesel]

Basketball gods were against us on this one.

 

Before I get into that... people don't understand that the Hawks spent time travelling, getting back reacclimated to the altitude while the Heat been in Atlanta since Wednesday.   Not that it's that big of a difference but the game plan to jump on us early worked. 

 

Now.. Basketball gods against us..

I saw HighSmith shoot a three pointer like a 7th grade girl.   All kind of BS shots were going in... Refs were just allowing them to mug us.   Trae got Teed up because he complained after being mugged right in front of the referee.  Dude did a waistelock take down on Trae right in front of the ref and the ref acted like he didn't see anything. 

It was personal between the Hawks and the Refs when Quin called his challenge.  Kennedy said, "the calling has been challenged by The Head Coach of the Atlanta Hawks.".   I have never heard any ref use that specificity in calling for a challenge.  That was personal. 

 

 

[Final_quest]

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Basketball gods were against us on this one.

 

Before I get into that... people don't understand that the Hawks spent time travelling, getting back reacclimated to the altitude while the Heat been in Atlanta since Wednesday.   Not that it's that big of a difference but the game plan to jump on us early worked. 

 

Now.. Basketball gods against us..

I saw HighSmith shoot a three pointer like a 7th grade girl.   All kind of BS shots were going in... Refs were just allowing them to mug us.   Trae got Teed up because he complained after being mugged right in front of the referee.  Dude did a waistelock take down on Trae right in front of the ref and the ref acted like he didn't see anything. 

It was personal between the Hawks and the Refs when Quin called his challenge.  Kennedy said, "the calling has been challenged by The Head Coach of the Atlanta Hawks.".   I have never heard any ref use that specificity in calling for a challenge.  That was personal. 

 

 

I do agree that we could have made a run but the thuggery that is allowed when we play the Heat is off the charts.  It's completely disrespectful and borders on the bizarre.  

That being said the Heat were also making plays and making shots.  We did come out with low energy and poor execution not related to the special referee treatment of #HeatCulture.  

The trend is a problem. 

One silver lining is Murray is up to 41.8% on 3's.  Dude is getting reliable from the outside and won the game for us in Orlando with his shot.  

[TheNorthCydeRises]

9 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

All 21 Turnovers: it's not pretty   

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=TOV&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022300175&PlayerID=0&RangeType=0&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612737&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

 

 

 

Those 2nd quarter turnovers were crazy.

[JayBirdHawk]

30 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Those 2nd quarter turnovers were crazy.

They were giving away the ball like candy on Halloween.