Official Game Thread: Hawks at Mavericks

[AHF]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Back to the discussion on LP.  What else does LP need to maximize success in Atlanta?  This may not be the biggest reason for it, but the defense has improved this year and it happens to coincide with the addition of Nate McMillan to the staff.  Does he need to add an offense oriented coach that is better at the x's and o's than he is?

I'd point out that the defensive improvement also coincides with Capela coming on board (note that at this time last year we were starting a PF/C combo of Jabari Parker and Damian Jones).

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Back to the discussion on LP.  What else does LP need to maximize success in Atlanta?  This may not be the biggest reason for it, but the defense has improved this year and it happens to coincide with the addition of Nate McMillan to the staff.  Does he need to add an offense oriented coach that is better at the x's and o's than he is?

The same thing Kenny needed. Time and experience 

[thecampster]

5 hours ago, thecampster said:

Inconsistent elevation on the jumper and loose feet (meaning he's planting them different distance apart and not jumping with consistent equal pressure). Relying on athleticism over mechanics.

 

And sorry if I've missed anything else. I've been off board for a while.

So been working today and hadn't been able to show what I'm talking about. It's all feet with him and it's a common problem with people with long limbs, shorter upper torso.

 

So see the video below I'll call out the time the jump happens and critique the feet. This is from back in March last year but it hasn't changed, its gotten worse as he's tried playing faster. These are all makes but the mechanics are bad. Sometimes bad goes in and good rims out.

Shots.

1. .04 mark, feet are about 6 inches apart on the jump. He makes an effort here to jump off both at the same time...has to gather the lead foot to do it.

2. .14 mark. Right leg is extended outside his shoulders to his right. He leaps off the left (does this a lot) and push balances with the right. He's expending a lot of energy to align the shot like this and using his arms more than on good attempts. pushes backwards with lift.

3. .25 mark.  Right leg is forward, body is angled away from the basket. Same balance push with right leg but this time its to twist his body square in the air. Rear leg is lift again but also turning. This pushes him lift forward toward the basket this time.

4. .34 mark. 1st shot with legs shoulder width apart. Body is square to the basket but front foot is forward. This is a sign he has to push with his hands, not his lift. This time the momentum from the good lift pushes him forward into a walk.

5. .50 mark. This is a layup and his footwork here shows his tendencies. Its a two foot leap where the right foot starts the momentum and then the real leap is off the left. Bad timing here because he's trying to win all upper body. Feet are an after thought.

6. .58 mark. First catch and shoot and his best attempt thus far. The tell is he lands on his feet and doesn't move any direction. He has his momentum under control. 1st shot in 6 attempts he lands square.

6 1:10 mark. This is the most telling shot. He winds up to jump hard and gets tons of lift. This is very different than any other shot. It means he's starting to tire and his mind thinks he needs extra effort.

I could go on but you get the idea. It is way, way better than he started his rookie season on where his elbows were different with every shot and his lift was completely different each shot. But bad mechanics eventually show out and this will be much harder to fix. My prescription is many more catch and shoots, less creating for himself. If he wants to create for himself, I would suggest high screens where he drives left/right off the screen and pulls up on either side of the screen so he can control his lift/feet.

Now remember, this is a highlight video where they are all makes...but mechanics are mechanics. We never see the misses but the mechanics are the same.

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:

For me its adjustments.

 

And Experience plays a big part in that.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Peoriabird]

For me its encouraging his players to continue to shoot 3's especially players like Cam or Trae shooting 30 footers with a 10 point lead or not encouraging his guards to aggressively attacking the paint when the other team is in the bonus.

[TheTruth]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

So LP, what are you going to do about it? Us falling apart defensively and not being able to close teams out isn't exactly new for us this season. Reminds me of another talented-but-frustratingly-mediocre Atlanta team I know.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

11 hours ago, terrell said:

Hawks dont have any scoring punch off the bench like Hardaway, Clarkson, etc...They can go off at any time..

Don't worry. It's coming next season.

 

[REHawksFan]

14 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

IOW......it's on the players not me.  At some point, failing to figure out how to stop teams in the 4th quarter and put games away that you've controlled all night falls back on the coach.  Maybe we aren't there yet for some, but I don't personally buy into LP not being at all culpable in all the blown leads.  

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

IOW......it's on the players not me.  At some point, failing to figure out how to stop teams in the 4th quarter and put games away that you've controlled all night falls back on the coach.  Maybe we aren't there yet for some, but I don't personally buy into LP not being at all culpable in all the blown leads.  

This is actually my biggest issue with LP.   Says way too much.   There's a reason coaches use coach speak or are opaque like Pop.   You go on and on about the issues of the team you're going to sound like you're pointing fingers whether you are or not.   But i agree with you here.  It definitely smacks of 'guys just didn't play hard' even if that wasn't his intent.   How does that go over in the locker room?   Could Capela have brought some 'defensive intensity' instead of going to bed with an extra foul to give?

[Peoriabird]

44 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

This is actually my biggest issue with LP.   Says way too much.   There's a reason coaches use coach speak or are opaque like Pop.   You go on and on about the issues of the team you're going to sound like you're pointing fingers whether you are or not.   But i agree with you here.  It definitely smacks of 'guys just didn't play hard' even if that wasn't his intent.   How does that go over in the locker room?   Could Capela have brought some 'defensive intensity' instead of going to bed with an extra foul to give?

Long 3's need to stop! Trae hit 1 shot in the 2nd half primarily because of this. We never seem to want to stop this behavior and when the team loses, the blame goes else where. Missed long 3's lead to long rebounds and a chance for the other team to run out and also they allow the other team to play faster. Stop the step back long 3's and tell Cam to attack the rim rather than settle.

[bleachkit]

10 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Don't worry. It's coming next season.

 

I dont follow College ball much, who is that?

[bleachkit]

10 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Don't worry. It's coming next season.

 

Mac Mclung? Havent seen him, but his shooting splits aren't that good,

Edited February 12, 2021 by bleachkit

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[macdaddy]

23 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

He's not wrong but not sure what talking to the press about it accomplishes.   How about the old nugget "we have to find a way to close out games, from the coaches on down"

[hylndr11]

So schlemk drafted lazy players , danggitni hate it when they do that 

[REHawksFan]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Long 3's need to stop! Trae hit 1 shot in the 2nd half primarily because of this. We never seem to want to stop this behavior and when the team loses, the blame goes else where. Missed long 3's lead to long rebounds and a chance for the other team to run out and also they allow the other team to play faster. Stop the step back long 3's and tell Cam to attack the rim rather than settle.

I know this is your pet topic to harp on, but against the Mavs, they only took 3 long 3 pts shots in the 4th quarter and made 2 of them.  Trae was 1-2 and Kevin was 1-1 on shots 30+ feet. The next longest shot was Cam at 28 feet.  After that they were all at the line or just beyond the line.  

Also, the one that Trae missed happened 30 seconds into the quarter during the Mavs 7-0 run.  Bad time and bad shot, but you make it seem like they take 5 or 6 in the 4th quarter.  That's just not true.  And Trae taking and missing the one with 11:30 left in the game is hardly the reason they lost.  

[Peoriabird]

12 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

I know this is your pet topic to harp on, but against the Mavs, they only took 3 long 3 pts shots in the 4th quarter and made 2 of them.  Trae was 1-2 and Kevin was 1-1 on shots 30+ feet. The next longest shot was Cam at 28 feet.  After that they were all at the line or just beyond the line.  

Also, the one that Trae missed happened 30 seconds into the quarter during the Mavs 7-0 run.  Bad time and bad shot, but you make it seem like they take 5 or 6 in the 4th quarter.  That's just not true.  And Trae taking and missing the one with 11:30 left in the game is hardly the reason they lost.  

Did I say anything about the 4th quarter?

[REHawksFan]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Did I say anything about the 4th quarter?

Well you were responding to a chain of posts that started with LP specifically talking about the 4th quarter of the Dallas game so I thought that's what you were talking about. Also, the Hawks had a 9 pt lead going to the 4th so I'm not sure why the shot selection that led to that lead would bother you.  I apologize for misunderstanding.  Complain away.  

[Peoriabird]

44 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Well you were responding to a chain of posts that started with LP specifically talking about the 4th quarter of the Dallas game so I thought that's what you were talking about. Also, the Hawks had a 9 pt lead going to the 4th so I'm not sure why the shot selection that led to that lead would bother you.  I apologize for misunderstanding.  Complain away.  

You guys are amazing! Trae was taking bad shots all game long...particularly in the 3rd quarter! There was a reason he only hit 1 shot out of 8 tries in the 2nd half. You don't start worrying about your shot selection when you start losing or in the 4th quarter. Good teams try to get good shots all 4 quarters.  The other thing I cannot understand with this board is the notion that a shot is only bad when it doesn't go in. Launching a bunch 3's which is LP team's MO is not the way to consistently win. And why Cam Reddish continues to shoot 3's is beyond my comprehension.