Official Game Thread: 76ers at Hawks -- GAME 3

[terrell]

Denver is getting swept....

[NBASupes]

I might have to start blocking dudes. We really got fools who watched the entire series, every second that think JC is having a better series than Bogi. I f***ing can't with some of you right now

[hylndr11]

Just now, terrell said:

Collins is the Matt Ryan of the Hawks stat wise..lol..A lot of empty calories..

But Matt doesn't have a bunch other players around him to win the game , give him a even a little run game and a not worse in the NFL defence and ur going to win a playoff game at least. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Collins is the Matt Ryan of the Hawks stat wise..lol..A lot of empty calories..

A lot. Not bad. Not bad at all.

[RedDawg#8]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Posts like this is why I hate fans who stat watch. 

 

Do you really f***ing believe JC is having a better series than Bogi? Are you f***ing kidding me?

Bogi has an easier assignment on both ends of the floor, true or false?

He should be giving us more going against Curry, but he can't get going either. So what he opened the game hot, he got taken out of the gameplan in the second half. 

JC is battling, with elite players. Game 2 was bad. Tonight he kept at it when Bogi disappeared down the stretch.

Numbers are for people whose only arguments is how they feel and their eye ball test which is purely subjective. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, RedDawg#8 said:

Bogi has an easier assignment on both ends of the floor, true or false?

He should be giving us more going against Curry, but he can't get going either. So what he opened the game hot, he got taken out of the gameplan in the second half. 

JC is battling, with elite players. Game 2 was bad. Tonight he kept at it when Bogi disappeared down the stretch.

Numbers are for people whose only arguments is how they feel and their eye ball test which is purely subjective. 

False. Bogi is guarding their best perimeter player. While JC is either hiding on Simmons or getting his ass lit up by Harris or Embiid. Sometimes even Simmons 

 

JC ain't doing shit but getting his cardio on.

[bleachkit]

I dont want to say the series is over, but what can we do with a black hole at small forward? We have to get hot from three to stay in it. Also, to win this series now we need another win in Philly. Tough hill to climb. 

[RedDawg#8]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I might have to start blocking dudes. We really got fools who watched the entire series, every second that think JC is having a better series than Bogi. I f***ing can't with some of you right now

They both need to give us more. Didn't say John was better. John has a tougher matchup and is still around his normal numbers. For all the attention Trae is getting Bogi is not making them pay the way you're implying he is. 

[bleachkit]

Korkmaz was +24, he is also a free agent this summer. 

[RedDawg#8]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

False. Bogi is guarding their best perimeter player. While JC is either hiding on Simmons or getting his ass lit up by Harris or Embiid. Sometimes even Simmons 

 

JC ain't doing shit but getting his cardio on.

Got it. Curry is better than Simmons now. 

Harris and Embiid should be easier matchups than little Curry. Heard.

Thanks for playing.

[NBASupes]

Just now, RedDawg#8 said:

They both need to give us more. Didn't say John was better. John has a tougher matchup and is still around his normal numbers. For all the attention Trae is getting Bogi is not making them pay the way you're implying he is. 

Bogi is getting schemed. The Sixers are f***ing scheming him. Taking away the PnR is what all playoffs teams do even the Knicks did it. 

Bogi is having a much better series, they respect him. JC get 1v1 coverage and do nothing with it more times then not. If it wasn't for his 4th Quarter production tonight with the game out of hand, we would be talking about another game where he scored like 12-14 points and he wasn't stopping shit just he was producing but it was empty. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Got it. Curry is better than Simmons now. 

Harris and Embiid should be easier matchups than little Curry. Heard.

Thanks for playing.

Curry has the highest offensive RAPTOR on both teams with elite efficiency from a position where he's not just dunks and alley pops. Yes, Curry is better than Simmons offensively. 

Defensively is where Simmons is world class as we saw all series. 

Your trolling at this point. 

[Diesel]

21 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Squawk logic

Bogi for the series

18 and 5 on 43% shooting = He got it

JC for the series

17 and 7 on 61% shooting = he aint got it?

Bogi is being asked to guard diet Curry

JC is being asked to guard and go against MVP, All-NBA, and All-Defense caliber players.

Ya'll kill me with this.

Capela 8 points, Kev 3 points, but JC is/was the problem?

Just stop while you're ahead.

 

Thank you.

This spews from Supes Hate for JC.  He has always hated JC.    JC is not the problem.  The problem is that we don't have anyone who can matchup with Embiid.   Embiid is out there laughing on the court.   When we double Embiid, Harris has a field day.  3rd Qtr, Philly couldn't miss.  Their gameplan was working very well. 

I said before...  Sacrifice Gallo on Embiid and Let Clint play the middle.   Stick to those shooters. 

 

[NBASupes]

For @AHF sake, I am not gonna respond to the troll

[RedDawg#8]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Curry has the highest offensive RAPTOR on both teams with elite efficiency from a position where he's not just dunks and alley pops. Yes, Curry is better than Simmons offensively. 

Defensively is where Simmons is world class as we saw all series. 

Your trolling at this point. 

Here is what we know

Trae is a star. Elevating to superstar status before our eyes in the postseason. He is who we hoped he would be.

Capela had the highest impact on winning for us the regular season by almost every metric. He dominates the paint against 95% of the league. He has run in to the other 5% this series.

Bogi is highly skilled and has balls of steel, but he has a ceiling and is darn near at it at age 28. He is Jrue Holiday for us. 3rd wheel at best

JC is the definition of efficiency. His offensive ceiling has likely been reached as he is not a creator. His defensive impact continues to improve as it should for a younger guy. His contract wishes are the only negative people can hold against him at this point. He impacts winning, period.

We need a second star. Dre? Cam? Maybe one day. But that's the difference between us and the elite teams. They all have 2+ All Stars. We have 1 and a handful of potentials.

 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Here is what we know

Trae is a star. Elevating to superstar status before our eyes in the postseason. He is who we hoped he would be.

Capela had the highest impact on winning for us the regular season by almost every metric. He dominates the paint against 95% of the league. He has run in to the other 5% this series.

Bogi is highly skilled and has balls of steel, but he has a ceiling and is darn near at it at age 28. He is Jrue Holiday for us. 3rd wheel at best

JC is the definition of efficiency. His offensive ceiling has likely been reached as he is not a creator. His defensive impact continues to improve as it should for a younger guy. His contract wishes are the only negative people can hold against him at this point. He impacts winning, period.

We need a second star. Dre? Cam? Maybe one day. But that's the difference between us and the elite teams. They all have 2+ All Stars. We have 1 and a handful of potentials.

 

1. Trae - agree

2. Capela - agree but Trae impact on that especially offensively is massive. But against Embiid, it looked like Shaq against Mutombo. 

3. He's a very young 28. If he continues to avoid serious injury, he could play till his late 30s. I still think Bogi could be a star in this league. 

4. I don't know how valuable this really is honestly. I don't believe it's that valuable in the playoffs. Efficiency is valuable for a guard because it's hard af for them to be efficient. I do see value for it in the regular season considering 82 games and all. 

5. We clearly need growth from everyone, especially the youngins

[NBASupes]

Our next level growth needs

Trae - decision making. 

Kevin- making contested shots

Bogi- isolation skills

JC - shot creation

Cam - open shots percentages

Hunter - PnR playmaking

Okongwu- range

Bruno - range 

Capela - FT shooting and passing

Gallo - maintaining consistency when being aggressive 

Hill - shooting

Snell - making contested shots

Goodwin- PnR play

I am probably forgetting people 

[Diesel]

I don't think that JC is having a better series that Bogi... But I do believe that all the JC's fault syndrome is B.S. 

I think many people feel the way that they feel about JC is because he asked for the max and turned down what was offered to him.   JC has had two bad games in these playoffs.   Clint too. Hell, Clint may have had 3.   

Another thing.  People saying that a PF ought to be able to create for themselves?  KG is not walking through that door and he's not on every team.   JC is a talented Pick and Roll/Pick and Pop player who has range out to the three point line.   That puts him in Karl Malone company.  I mean when you look at the PFs of this league:

GP	GS	MPG	PPG	FGM	FGA	FG%	3FGM	3FGA	3FG%	FTM	FTA	FT%
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF  MIL	61	61	33.0	28.1	626	1100	56.9	67	221	30.3	398	581	68.5
Zion Williamson PF  NO	61	61	33.2	27.0	634	1037	61.1	10	34	29.4	369	529	69.8
Julius Randle PF  NY	71	71	37.6	24.1	602	1321	45.6	160	389	41.1	348	429	81.1
Pascal Siakam PF  TOR	56	56	35.8	21.4	437	961	45.5	73	246	29.7	249	301	82.7
Domantas Sabonis PF  IND	62	62	36.0	20.3	484	904	53.5	52	162	32.1	240	328	73.2
Tobias Harris PF  PHI	62	62	32.5	19.5	473	924	51.2	82	208	39.4	182	204	89.2
John Collins PF  ATL	63	63	29.3	17.6	429	771	55.6	83	208	39.9	170	204	83.3
Rui Hachimura PF  WAS	57	57	31.5	13.8	310	648	47.8	45	137	32.8	124	161	77.0
Darius Bazley PF  OKC	55	55	31.2	13.7	273	690	39.6	83	286	29.0	125	178	70.2
Chris Boucher PF  TOR	60	14	24.2	13.6	288	560	51.4	90	235	38.3	152	193	78.8
Lauri Markkanen PF  CHI	51	26	25.8	13.6	250	521	48.0	119	296	40.2	76	92	82.6
Montrezl Harrell C  LAL	69	1	22.9	13.5	375	603	62.2	0	10	0.0	181	256	70.7
Kelly Olynyk PF  HOU	70	62	28.5	13.5	337	697	48.4	126	368	34.2	145	175	82.9
Carmelo Anthony PF  POR	69	3	24.5	13.4	327	777	42.1	133	325	40.9	137	154	89.0

 

 

Which of these guys are able to create for themselves?

 

[Sothron]

How many PFs can actually create for themselves? Is that the standard we're holding big men to these days?

This series is showing that Capela is an All-Star center who is going up against an All-NBA center. If we had Hunter healthy and also Cam I truly think we win this series and go on and win a title. I'm not fanboying. This team is so deep and so well constructed that we just need good enough defense on the people AROUND Embiid in this case to get us past them.

We have that if our SFs were healthy. We have a gaping chasm of uselessness in Solomon Hill. I don't blame him. He's like a 10-11th guy in a rotation being asked to start and play way, way above his skill level. You can't blame him for being what he is. 

We've had a great run. We need to keep JC cuz we sure as hell ain't finding another JC out there with how limited our cap space will be. This is somewhat like the Joe Johnson getting a max contract situation years ago. We were so far already against the cap that losing him for nothing would be stupid. We were able later to trade him and get out of it for the worst years.

JC is younger and hasn't even hit his prime years yet. We don't need to panic or start attacking each other because our team missing our third best player in Hunter is going to lose to a team that many people thought would win a title this year or at least make it to the Finals. If we had our team healthy we beat the Sixers. But we're not. That's all there is to it.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Sothron said:

How many PFs can actually create for themselves? Is that the standard we're holding big men to these days?

This series is showing that Capela is an All-Star center who is going up against an All-NBA center. If we had Hunter healthy and also Cam I truly think we win this series and go on and win a title. I'm not fanboying. This team is so deep and so well constructed that we just need good enough defense on the people AROUND Embiid in this case to get us past them.

We have that if our SFs were healthy. We have a gaping chasm of uselessness in Solomon Hill. I don't blame him. He's like a 10-11th guy in a rotation being asked to start and play way, way above his skill level. You can't blame him for being what he is. 

We've had a great run. We need to keep JC cuz we sure as hell ain't finding another JC out there with how limited our cap space will be. This is somewhat like the Joe Johnson getting a max contract situation years ago. We were so far already against the cap that losing him for nothing would be stupid. We were able later to trade him and get out of it for the worst years.

JC is younger and hasn't even hit his prime years yet. We don't need to panic or start attacking each other because our team missing our third best player in Hunter is going to lose to a team that many people thought would win a title this year or at least make it to the Finals. If we had our team healthy we beat the Sixers. But we're not. That's all there is to it.

Not many which is why big wings have replaced them on playoff level teams. 

The ones still left for playoff teams is Draymond Green who is the best playmaker PF in the NBA 

Davis Bertrans who's basically plays like a Kyle Korver on offense. 

JJJ who is underwhelming and Anderson is a more effective small ball 4.

Morris Sr who is the best corner 3 point shooter in the NBA at 48% on legit volume 

Giannis who is Giannis. Two time MVP. 

Randle, we saw what happened to him by us.

Everyone else is big wings.

Philly Harris

Brooklyn Durant

Miami Ariza

Boston Tatum

Utah Bojan

PHX Crowder 

Denver MPJ

LAL LeBron

Portland Covington 

Dallas Kleber

 

Most of the teams with true PFs are non playoff teams

Toronto Siakam

Bulls Thad Young

Orlando Issac and Okeke

Cavs Nance Jr

Det Grant

Hou Wood

Char Washington 

Chi Markkanen 

NO Zion - unicorn 

Okc - Roby

Sac - Bagley

 

 

Power forward becoming the least valuable position in Basketball. Teams are putting big wings at the 4 because it's easier to find mismatches at the 4 than the 3. If a PF isn't like Draymond with elite playmaking which is needed for a Steph Curry team, PF are being out of style like the post up center who offers little else. 

I would rather keep him but salary is critical. The 4/90 was a massive overpay offer.