Official Game Thread: heat at Hawks

[JeffS17]

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

From my source: growing belief Nate won't last the season inside the front office. He has been so thoroughly outcoached by the Heat and other top five NBA coaches that even Ressler is noticing and demanding answers. 

Udoka, Synder and Kenny Atkinson are potential targets.

Snyder would be nice.  Our roster is not terribly unlike Jazz with a touch less shooting, but I think he has the creativity and offensive focus to make us elite on that end of the floor, even as constructed.  Atkinson would be nice too.  I think you have to make a coaching change before making any drastic roster moves.  In my opinion, it's really hard to tell just how flawed the roster is with Nate at the helm.

[JeffS17]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

This is sadly what it is. To me, we have the pieces, we just don't have the fit. It's like we tried to fix this team which did raise our floor only to lower our ceiling. It's basically like we are Minnesota East.

I still think our bench pieces are the biggest issue right now, not our starting lineup fit.  We don't have any contributers coming off the bench right now with Bogi out, which is the biggest problem on the roster imo.  Arbor day, flag day, and two rooks that barely have NBA minutes.  And OO has been inconsistent this year.

 

36 minutes ago, yungsta said:

I would love to be proven wrong but I'm struggling to figure what players we can realistically get that can fix our shooting while maintaining our middle of the road defense.

KD lol

[Spud2nique]

8 hours ago, Plainview1981 said:

Gallo would have been a bigger deal this season than last.

Huh? Gallo has been injured all year what are you talking about? You want Gallo sitting on the sidelines so you can stare at him? That’s one thing but he wasn’t gonna help $hit on the court let’s not say things that aren’t true.

[Spud2nique]

10 hours ago, Sothron said:

From my source:

Nate gotta go

[JeffS17]

One thing I don't really understand is Bogi's situation.  Are we slow rolling his recovery because we have a trade lined up?  I feel like updates on him are few and far between and this wasn't some acute injury he's recovering from

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Arbor day, flag day, and two rooks that barely have NBA minutes.  And OO has been inconsistent this year.

this is funny and true.   But this was also easy to predict and many of us did.   I never understood the talk that we were a deep team (which many asserted) when we had two journeymen and unproven players.  

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

new coach or both we need to get moving on it. 

This. Salvage a season we’ve all been looking for to that’s disappointed us.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

It's basically like we are Minnesota East.

If you call Trae Marbury one more time I swear to God…

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

One thing I don't really understand is Bogi's situation.  Are we slow rolling his recovery because we have a trade lined up?  I feel like updates on him are few and far between and this wasn't some acute injury he's recovering from

I'm not sure who's trading for him right now.  Is there a team who needs a guy who can stand on one leg and shoot?

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

For the record, I was never a fan of getting rid of Gallo or Kevin. I would've parted with Bogi first.

Not me I woulda done what Schlenk did. And now, I would do what Schlenk should do, can some tuna. 
 

NATE IS THE PROBLEM FOLKS. 
 

Pierce= Nate And that’s a slap in Nate face cuz he’s been around 20+ years and Lloyd was his first gig.

[Spud2nique]

46 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

But it's only one game."

Not anymore Gramps we gotta make that move yesterday as @macdaddyindicated. We can’t waste another season by thinking Nate is gonna learn how to draw X’s and O’s All of a sudden.

Players stop listening to Nate.

 

[Spud2nique]

25 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

I’d like to see what someone like Snyder or Udoka can do with our roster before we go blowing up our core.

Same kinda thing happened in 94 for Don Nelson and Webber. Warriors shipped Webber to keep Nellie. It was a mistake. As good as Nellie was, that team needed a new voice but they kept the coach and got rid of CWebb.

KEEP JOHN (for now) keep the core and get rid of Nate and his whole freakin staff, Punty, Nate’s son.. everyone.

[Gray Mule]

When a team, regardless of the sport, has a "Winning Problem" there is two solutions:

1- Fire the entire team and replace them with other players.

2- Fire the coach.

There.  We all can see that one choice here is far better than the other.

Sorry Nate.  Looks like this team has quit on you.  They no longer believe.  They keep playing but they don't have "it" when it comes down to the part that really matters.

[Spud2nique]

This is under the category or what’s one thing gotta do with another BUT…

 

Wasn’t Nate’s son Jamelle in a relationship with Ben Simmons sister? Yea, that tells me enough about his judgement, IT STINKS, and now I have to watch his less than mediocre a$$ interviewed at halftime by Lauren Jbari whose he’s tryin to be “cute with and flirt with” the whole time..

BROTHER THIS AINT LOVE CONNECTION. Take your broke a$$ bags home .

Ya, no, he shouldn’t be on the sidelines. I bet father and son do NOTHING to prepare the Hawks for games.

 

This ain’t a chemistry thing anymore.

Even if we get the chemistry back with Bogi and everyone, Nate still sucks a$$, PERIOD.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

True to Atlanta," Tony? You still mean that?

Good to see you panic before the 25 game mark, sorry to wake you up you got another 5 games of WLWLL algorithm of success from the Hawks left.. ugh  

NATE IS A GONER. Today would be better than tomorrow.

[Spud2nique]

37 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

My personal potential target:  A player!

G LEAGUE - - Hornet's - - Center - - Mark Williams - 7'+ - - Drafted last summer.

All Gramps team:

PG- Haliburton

SG- Huerter

SF- TBD

PF-TBD

C-Big Mark Williams

 

[REHawksFan]

8 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

The Lineups say that it actually HAS been working.  It's just that people hate the "take turns" offense.  

Trae + Dejounte have been a positive on the floor together.

Trae's best 2-man partner has been Dejounte:

 

Dejounte's best 2-man partner has been Capela, with Trae 2nd.

What you're seeing in both of Trae's and Dejounte's 2-man combos, is that they're not producing positive lineup numbers with our bench personnel.

Our starting lineup has played well with each other.  The problems are arising when we mix the starters in with the bench personnel, if 3 or more guys are in the lineup.

I get the numbers, but you are talking about a superstar and an all star. Both are elite offensive players.  OF COURSE they are going to have very good offensive numbers.  But what do you see on the court?  They aren't playing through one another. They aren't playing off one another.  They aren't playing with one another for the most part. 

When it's Trae's "turn" DJM stands in the corner and watches. When it's DJ's "turn" Trae stands out at mid court and watches.  How many times have you seen either player getting the other involved?  Not very frequently.  The fact that both have positive lineup numbers is a testament to how good each is individually but to truly unlock the potential of this offense, they gotta figure out how to make each other better.  That's NATE'S job.  And frankly he sucks at it.  

[benhillboy]

$39 million and rising for the weakest player in the league with a considerably lower eFG% than Justin Holliday yet allowing him to hold a career usage higher than Lebron and Michael f@&kin Jordan.  I’m done y’all.

Edited November 28, 2022 by benhillboy

[Diesel]

39 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'm not sure who's trading for him right now.  Is there a team who needs a guy who can stand on one leg and shoot?

I don't know if you guys know this.. but based on logic...

we probably floated Bogi's name this summer for trade and other teams were like nah... Damaged goods and we shipped off Kevon.

Bogi will be a Hawk til his contract is up and at the same time, I don't know if Bogi will ever be better than 75%.

 

[macdaddy]

10 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

$39 million and rising for the weakest player in the league with a considerably lower eFG% than Justin Holliday yet allowing him to hold a career usage higher than Lebron and Michael f@&kin Jordan.  I’m done y’all.