My guy has talked around NBA circles of late

[Diesel]

4 hours ago, mrhonline said:

To me, Grant definitely counts as an impact player. He's not a star, but on a team with Atlanta's offensive talent, he'd be a positive. I think he'd start over Hunter because, well, Nate likes his vets.

It'd almost certainly be something like Cam+Gallo+2022 first (lotto protected)+OKC pick. Lyles would be needed to match salaries.

Rotation would be:

Lots of matchup combinations there.

The problem is you can say the same about Cam, Hunter, and Kev.  The fact that you have to postulate him starting over Hunter with bad reasoning and can't say definitively that he will start over Hunter is the reason for us to not trade for him.  The trade doesn't move the needle.  It's like trading a 5th grader for a 6th grader.   That 6th grader is not going to do much more than the 5th grader and if we be patient, our 5th grader will soon be a 6th grader. 

[aali34]

Cam is the 5th best free throw shooter in the NBA currently shooting 90%. He's set a solid foundation for his game this season and just gotta continue to build on it. Three point shot is consistent. Shows that on balance Cam is the best Cam.

All he gotta do now is get his fg% up by building strength and fine tuning his inside game and we got an all star. Tighten up his defense and build on his passing flashes and we might have a superstar.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

Do you guys think Cam will ever stop taking fadeaway, off-balance mid-rangers with 15 left on the shot clock?  I can see a reality where he develops into a true star player and i can also see one where he middles around with amazing talent but low BBIQ and stays inconsistent his career.  I saw this with my Cam jersey on for what its worth -- the reality I want is for him to develop into the dependable #2 option with the Hawks

 

I hope we don't make poor moves out of sheer impatience.

I would hope he gets better as he ages. Considering how much development time he has missed due to Covid and then injuries, he is taking baby steps in improving - it may not be as quickly as some like, but the consistent improvement is what you need to see.

I keep saying Trae spoiled us, he was ready made for this right out of the box...Cam isn't- some guys just take a little longer to grow into their bodies (he's still growing about 7''3" by now ) and skillset. And that's not saying he definitely will....but I've seen the improvement to think he can.

[mrhonline]

11 minutes ago, aali34 said:

He's set a solid foundation for his game this season and just gotta continue to build on it.

Said people since forever. His outcomes continue to be wide and probably will remain so up until the point that he's looking for a big offer sheet.

Here's his draft profile from The Stepien. Most of these things remain true years later.

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Mentality Overview: Inconsistent and passive. His flashes on offense were really nice, but when he wasn’t doing something that really popped, he was floating around in the background doing nothing. Defense was way more consistent throughout the year. Way more “dull moments” overall than flashes. Going back to HS, he had the inconsistent and carefree label as well.

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Role: 3/D player with secondary/tertiary playmaking. His shot should come in time with some tweaks to his form (and making the release more consistent), but that’s the only “safe” part of his offensive game. There could be more to come based on the flashes and what he’s shown in the past, but he also could just be unable to develop the passing, handle, etc to a professional level…that’s also possible.

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Offensive Swing Factor: Becoming a more consistent shooter, ball-handling, and finishing ability.
Defensive Swing Factor: Consistency, awareness, and pulling back on the risky plays.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

15 hours ago, mrhonline said:

I think the most realistic option come February will end up being Jerami Grant.

 

I'll take Jeremi Grant on this roster.

[macdaddy]

What are Cam's weaknesses as a basketball player?   It's largely decision making.   I like the prospect of him being able to greatly improve in that area over hoping someone else becomes a better defender or better shooter or increases their wingspan. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I'll take Jeremi Grant on this roster.

That's fine - for what/who though.  That is the discussion.

[kg01]

3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I'll take Jeremi Grant on this roster.

So would all of us.  The question is would you take Grant on the roster that's left after acquiring him.

[marco102]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

Do you guys think Cam will ever stop taking fadeaway, off-balance mid-rangers with 15 left on the shot clock?  I can see a reality where he develops into a true star player and i can also see one where he middles around with amazing talent but low BBIQ and stays inconsistent his career.  I saw this with my Cam jersey on for what its worth -- the reality I want is for him to develop into the dependable #2 option with the Hawks

 

I hope we don't make poor moves out of sheer impatience.

Man you've been going hard on the get rid of Cam train lately...lol

I think like anything with most young players he will improve.  His shot selection has improved within the season.  Most of his misses are within the flow of the offense and good looks. He just needs to work on his midrange game in the offseason. He's already improved his finishing at the rim and three point shooting.  I believe he is second or third on the team in free throw rate. 

He has all the makings of a solid #2 if he can get his two point percentage to around 45% next season. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by marco102

[Gray Mule]

32 minutes ago, aali34 said:

Cam is the 5th best free throw shooter in the NBA currently shooting 90%. He's set a solid foundation for his game this season and just gotta continue to build on it. Three point shot is consistent. Shows that on balance Cam is the best Cam.

All he gotta do now is get his fg% up by building strength and fine tuning his inside game and we got an all star. Tighten up his defense and build on his passing flashes and we might have a superstar.

 

Free throws!  Gotta love this part of his game.  This old man (age 22) has often been talked about as one of the pieces we could trade to consolidate.  I hope no one is expecting Atlanta to view him as a throw in to make a deal work.  If we trade Cam, we must get back something good - not just a warm body.

Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper will be moving up and we must make room.  I've noticed some teams want us to throw in one of these guys if we trade.  They have value.  Good problem to have, lots of talent.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Gray Mule

[mrhonline]

18 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

What are Cam's weaknesses as a basketball player?   It's largely decision making.

Seriously?

• Staying attentive defensively
• Being too eager for steals
• Rebounding
• Help defense
• Making the extra pass
• Mid-range shooting
• Scoring at the rim

[gurpilo]

I think when the main pieces of your roster are well below 25 and you have a special talent like Cam or even Hunter you just give them time to develop, when they reach 25/26 then you already have an idea of what they are going to be and then you make  a decission. We don’t need to win a ring today. If you want to improve the roster at wing position use Gallo, Delon, Lou, Dieng, Bogi or Huerter or a draft pick.  If you include Huerter must be for a real special player. You just don’t give up on 2 way player with star potential.

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Seriously?

• Staying attentive defensively
• Being too eager for steals
• Rebounding
• Help defense
• Making the extra pass
• Mid-range shooting
• Scoring at the rim

Look at all those things and compare to last year.  Recently he's improved them. 

[JayBirdHawk]

4 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Said people since forever. His outcomes continue to be wide and probably will remain so up until the point that he's looking for a big offer sheet.

Here's his draft profile from The Stepien. Most of these things remain true years later.

He has played 116 NBA games though.

Take a look at Grant's 1st 3 years in the league, heck look at his 6 years.  Until last year in Detroit when he was miscast as a lead guy, he was slotted as a valuable rotation piece in OKC and Denver as a 3rd/4th option - which will be his role again if playing for the Hawks.  He's not getting 17 shots a game here.  He may be more consistent in the things he does well more so than Cam because of his experience. 

What is the one thing standout thing that Grant does well?

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

I think when the main pieces of your roster are well below 25 and you have a special talent like Cam or even Hunter you just give them time to develop, when they reach 25/26 then you already have an idea of what they are going to be and then you make  a decission. We don’t need to win a ring today. If you want to improve the roster at wing position use Gallo, Delon, Lou, Dieng, Bogi or Huerter or a draft pick.  If you include Huerter must be for a real special player. You just don’t give up on 2 way player with star potential.

NOT MY HUERTER!!!

[JayBirdHawk]

25 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

What are Cam's weaknesses as a basketball player?   

 

5 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Seriously?

• Staying attentive defensively
• Being too eager for steals
• Rebounding
• Help defense
• Making the extra pass
• Mid-range shooting
• Scoring at the rim

All true. Doesn't mean he can't improve on them given time.  Again 116 NBA games, that not even 2 full years of NBA games.

[Wretch]

20 minutes ago, kg01 said:

So would all of us.  The question is would you take Grant on the roster that's left after acquiring him.

Let me also say for the record, because I know this is going to come up in the future...and people have a hard time sorting out different dialogues. 

I am in no way advocating a trade of core assets for Jerami Grant. I'm for giving up a protected 1st and decent filler.

That's what makes him attractive to me, because he fills a need here and he's not going to cost a whole lot. Or he shouldn't... I'm also not expecting him to be the 2nd option we desperately need. In the absence of a blockbuster deal for a young allstar though, this is a low risk move that could provide relief for our young wings who are still developing. 

If we can get him for what his market value should be, then it's a no-brainer for me. This is likely why Detroit is getting a bunch of calls.

[aali34]

This Cam and Grant talk sounds eerily similar to when some people were comparing JC and Tobias Harris...

Don't think anyone would wanna revisit that conversation now lol.

[bleachkit]

If Grant is the best we can do better to just stay put. 

[marco102]

I have to say with Cam, people just look at the stats and are like oh he's an inefficient shooter, turnover prone, etc. which is true.  They don't look at the shots he's able to get to. Not many players his size can get the wide open looks he is able to generate. He's not hitting them at at high efficiency because he's a little off balance with his lower body and upper body mechanics. These things can be tweaked with off season development.  The improvement in his spot up three shows me he's putting in some work.

When Cam is on balance, for any shot, show me where he consistently misses. We have a player that can basically get to his spots at will, but is just missing due to being raw.  Looking at his past few games, his playmaking and decision making (shot selection, offensive movement, and passing) have all improved. 

I'm not giving that up for Jerami Grant. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by marco102