Official Game Thread: Hawks at 76ers -- GAME 1

[JayBirdHawk]

18 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Heard on the Ringer Podcast the new national narrative.  Trae's roster is light year's better than Lukas.  Well It's not light years', but it is better. You want to know why?  Because Travis traded for Trae and got extra draft picks and thought about drafting players that fit.  He got shat on last season because the Mavs made the playoffs by putting all their chips on Porzingas. 

I just hate how they keep moving these goal posts.  Trae Young was supposed to take a g league roster to the playoffs.  He'll never get the credit he deserves because he was traded for Luka.  At this point, they can't ignore him now. 

This^.

The Hawks and Trae were maligned last year because he couldn't take the likes of Lamian, Crabbe, Parsons, Parker, Turner etc to the playoffs.

 

 

[enrique]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

I would have done a Herschel Walker grandfather type trade to get the Dallas pick that year as well and keep Luka.

 

Trae and Luka. That would have been unfair.

Grandfather trades usually backfire as it did with Herschel and the Vikings but that’s football and each deal is independent of its own. I would have pulled the trigger to get both Trae and Luka and team them up. I would have traded 3 first round picks and players. You risk about 5 year but if it pans out you have a 10 year championship window if you play your cards right.

All Monday morning QB stuff.

If I had to do it all over I’m still taking Trae and LOOOOVVVVIIING IT!!!!! We got our man. He’s made of that old strong cloth!

His greatest ability is his work-ethic...it will infuse everyone around him. That boy isn't afraid to improve and struggle to improve in season and off season. I hope he keeps humble and hungry! Trae's fortunately been our man since draft night. 

[bleachkit]

3 minutes ago, enrique said:

The problem with this concession is that when it came to ROY, the fact that Atlanta had a horrific roster and the Mavs had a solid roster with a top-5 bench didn't ever enter the national conversation about why Trae should be considered on the merits of his statistical accomplishments. But that was scoffed at. Now when it comes to playoff time, suddenly people want to say "Oh wait, Luka doesn't have a good supporting cast." Well his on/off splits aren't revealing that he is the man and no one else can do a thing on the team. Trae and Luka in the playoffs this year are both #3 on their teams for on/off splits. 

If Trae didn't get any credit for the abysmal team he played on his rookie season, why should we concede anything to someone whose playing on a worse roster right now. Just doesn't make any sense. I accepted the "Hawks Suck therefore Luka is ROY." I will let the "Dallas Sucks...Trae is a stud" stand.

Well maybe Cuban needs a new GM. Porzingus trade has been so-so at best. Trading Curry for Richardson was a bad trade, he was a complete non factor for the Mavs. They thought they were getting Giannis or another mega star, and struck out. I like that TS got didnt sell the farm for a star, instead got solid veterans like Bogi and Capela that filled their roles to a T. 

[enrique]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

This^.

The Hawks and Trae were maligned last year because he couldn't take the likes of Lamian, Crabbe, Parsons, Parker, Turner etc to the playoffs.

 

 

When the media doesn't want to praise you...although some are doing it now...they will find a way to cast shade on even the best you are doing. Sad that the metric changes now that it would favor Trae. In the end he will prove all doubters wrong. I am just stoked to get to watch Trae do "Trae things" in the playoffs right now while the rest of the nation watches. On B/R the other day a Knick fan said "Yeah, I always thought Trae just flopped all the time. Dudes tough. He plays through so much contact. He's the real deal." Another convert.

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, enrique said:

When the media doesn't want to praise you...although some are doing it now...they will find a way to cast shade on even the best you are doing. Sad that the metric changes now that it would favor Trae. In the end he will prove all doubters wrong. I am just stoked to get to watch Trae do "Trae things" in the playoffs right now while the rest of the nation watches. On B/R the other day a Knick fan said "Yeah, I always thought Trae just flopped all the time. Dudes tough. He plays through so much contact. He's the real deal." Another convert.

Oh remember how you heard that the Knicks didn't attack Trae on defense, but the 76ers have the lineup to do it?  Well the Ringer guys just said the 76ers don't have the personnel to attack Trae on defense, but the Bucks and Nets do.  Well the Bucks and Nets have the personnel to attack mostly anyone.  Trae's defense is much improved and they can't accept it.  He's not elite or anything, but he's trying.

[bleachkit]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This^.

The Hawks and Trae were maligned last year because he couldn't take the likes of Lamian, Crabbe, Parsons, Parker, Turner etc to the playoffs.

 

 

Last year had to be one of the worst benches of all time. If there was a worse one, I cant think of it. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by bleachkit

[enrique]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Well maybe Cuban needs a new GM. Porzingus trade has been so-so at best. Trading Curry for Richardson was a bad trade, he was a complete non factor for the Mavs. They thought they were getting Giannis or another mega star, and struck out. I like that TS got didnt sell the farm for a star, instead got solid veterans like Bogi and Capela that filled their roles to a T. 

For sure...TS knew that Trae with extra first rounders, along with other assets he was acquiring was the way to go. I think he also recognized that Trae is a star and will help others become their better selves on the court. He sets the table so well most of the time. Tonight there were some rough patches, but I imagine he is going to be studying film of the last 4 or 5 minutes like crazy tonight and tomorrow. TS has certainly been building the team around the player Trae is and can be. To Trae's credit he is working hard to improve on his weak areas. The coaching change has definitely brought out a different kind of player in Trae.

[JeffS17]

Half the reason why our roster is so much better than the Mavs roster is because Trae makes them better.  It's true that Dallas doesn't have lob threats for Luka to utilize off the PnR like some are saying, but that also undersells how effortlessly trae gets into the paint against quite literally any defender that his been thrown on him this playoffs.  I think the fact Trae is much much harder to game plan around bodes very well for us in the playoffs this year and in future years.  Also don't even think the Mavs played that poorly -- taking the Clippers to 7 games is a good season in my books, so I don't see why we need so many reactionary takes.

[enrique]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Last year had to be one of the worst benches of all time. If there was a worst one, I cant think of it. 

Well to confirm your suspicions I pulled the data...You are spot on!

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional/?PerMode=Totals&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&StarterBench=Bench

Read it and weep!!!! 

We were dead last in NET for the bench...and guess who had a Top-5 bench to help him win games?

You guessed it...Luka! 

As I said, I have no pity on Luka at all. He is a great player who has been praised before he did much and the narrative never looked to criticize his game. Trae has had a 180-degree different experience. So I certainly hope Trae is enjoying this!!! It is WELL-DESERVED!!!! For the whole franchise!

[bleachkit]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

Half the reason why our roster is so much better than the Mavs roster is because Trae makes them better.  It's true that Dallas doesn't have lob threats for Luka to utilize off the PnR like some are saying, but that also undersells how effortlessly trae gets into the paint against quite literally any defender that his been thrown on him this playoffs.  I think the fact Trae is much much harder to game plan around bodes very well for us in the playoffs this year and in future years.  Also don't even think the Mavs played that poorly -- taking the Clippers to 7 games is a good season in my books, so I don't see why we need so many reactionary takes.

If anything, the Mavs overachieved. Dont talk to me about narratives, goal post moving, etc. Their roster is crap. Taking the Clippers to 7 is solid for them. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 minute ago, benhillboy said:

Trae has a few clear cut advantages over Luka as it stands today: FT shooting, conditioning, and pure passing no question.  Trae is also rapidly closing in on reaching his defensive potential, Luka don’t give a damn about making standout plays.

Luka gets the defensive benefit of the doubt, because he grabs a lot of defensive rebounds.

[MarylandHawk]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Despite struggling a little with the turnovers, Johnny Max had a real good game.  Still highly efficient.

 

 

One of his best games yet. All of his shots were clutch. 

[JeffS17]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

If anything, the Mavs overachieved. Dont talk to me about narratives, goal post moving, etc. Their roster is crap. Taking the Clippers to 7 is solid for them. 

I don't think their roster is complete doo doo.  They have shooters.  They have like 4-5 guys right around 40% from 3... that's what you want when you're playing Harden-ball.  The only material difference between their team and ours for me is we have a strong defensive anchor in Capela.  If you swap out porzingus for capela and put trae on that team instead of luka, i bet they look just about as good as the hawks this year.  Those shooters on dallas might even be hitting at a little higher clip with the looks trae would get them

[bleachkit]

Just now, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Luka gets the defensive benefit of the doubt, because he grabs a lot of defensive rebounds.

For his size he is an outstanding rebounder. There is considerable debate about how impactful that is, but I think it's suggests a high level of effort. 

[hazer]

Don’t listen to or argue with NUNNuvem. Just throw up the  

Edited June 7, 2021 by hazer

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

One of his best games yet. All of his shots were clutch. 

I would love to see a game where our starting 5, Trae, Bogi Dre, JC Capela all score 20 or more. It could happen. 

[MarylandHawk]

6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Half the reason why our roster is so much better than the Mavs roster is because Trae makes them better.  It's true that Dallas doesn't have lob threats for Luka to utilize off the PnR like some are saying, but that also undersells how effortlessly trae gets into the paint against quite literally any defender that his been thrown on him this playoffs.  I think the fact Trae is much much harder to game plan around bodes very well for us in the playoffs this year and in future years.  Also don't even think the Mavs played that poorly -- taking the Clippers to 7 games is a good season in my books, so I don't see why we need so many reactionary takes.

Excuse me? Have you been around these parts since we drafted Trae? The fact that Luka is out of the playoffs and Trae is still ascending is very note worthy around here. There are still some Hawk fans who deep down still wish we had Luka, so to have proof that they may be better off with out him is something they need to see. Any rational human being knows Luka is good and had an outstanding season but some are blinded by his success and cannot fully appreciate someone who is just as good on their own team. Reactionary takes are appropriate. 

[bleachkit]

4 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I don't think their roster is complete doo doo.  They have shooters.  They have like 4-5 guys right around 40% from 3... that's what you want when you're playing Harden-ball.  The only material difference between their team and ours for me is we have a strong defensive anchor in Capela.  If you swap out porzingus for capela and put trae on that team instead of luka, i bet they look just about as good as the hawks this year.  Those shooters on dallas might even be hitting at a little higher clip with the looks trae would get them

I dont see how they are going to be get much better. They are stuck with Porzingus awful contract, that is bordering on negative value. If I were the Mavs I would try to try to shake things up now, before you have to pay Luka. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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[JeffS17]

One thing I have taken for granted this season is how solid of free throw shooters we have.  Watching Luka and Ben Simmons brick free throws all post season has to be infuriating as a Mavs/Sixers fan.  If Ben Simmons could shoot free throws we might have actually collapsed and lost this game today and the series looks a lot different.