Trae

[AHF]

9 hours ago, terrell said:

Trae is 24..

You are right.  24 and 77 days as of today.  Still very, very young.  John Stockton was starting 2 games as a backup for the Jazz in his age 24 season and Steve Nash was averaging 7.9 points per game.  Should still have a lot of development ahead of him.

[Sothron]

Newsflash for those that need to hear this: There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae. It would take him going public with a trade demand for that to happen and there's no way that's going to happen. Trae is the Face and he knows it and so does Ressler and the FO.

I know how low key this team is with drama and we as fans aren't used to drama between players and coaches. People are overreacting about this. Yes, they had an argument and it was ugly. Yes, both of them handled it wrong. That's just life in the League. 

[REHawksFan]

5 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Newsflash for those that need to hear this: There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae. It would take him going public with a trade demand for that to happen and there's no way that's going to happen. Trae is the Face and he knows it and so does Ressler and the FO.

I know how low key this team is with drama and we as fans aren't used to drama between players and coaches. People are overreacting about this. Yes, they had an argument and it was ugly. Yes, both of them handled it wrong. That's just life in the League. 

When there is a segment of the fanbase that can't stand the superstar player, it makes sense that those same people are going to take any drama and run with it to further their, uh, opinion of him.  It just is what it is.  The rest of us just gotta ignore the noise.  

[marco102]

6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

While this is true, the point reminds. All of the great Team USA coaches and no one wanted him 

Because Lloyd Pierce was there bad mouthing Trae which amongst other things  eventually got him fired. When you have Steve Holloman bad mouthing you about this, that's a problem.

You and I both know he will be on the next team. Does that mean all the coaches want him?

2 hours ago, benhillboy said:

Imagine taking the side of a scoring guard who had more turnovers than field goals in a playoff series over a coach with a .535 winning clip in almost 1,400 games of coaching experience in all small markets.  Just imagine that.

Love the message it sends to the rest of the locker room.  “As long as we have 5 guys on the floor playing hard and smart for one another we can win without you no biggie.”

Imagine Agendaing like this.

Are yall Hawks fans or want to be right stans?

20 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

TBF that's not something you can typically work on in the offseason. Never heard any player say they are gonna work on their defense in the offseason

John said he did and has gotten better.

Edited December 5, 2022 by marco102

[REHawksFan]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Imagine Agendaing like this.

Are yall Hawks fans or want to be right stans?

LMFAO.....you know the answer to this.  We all do.  

[macdaddy]

23 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Newsflash for those that need to hear this: There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae. It would take him going public with a trade demand for that to happen and there's no way that's going to happen. Trae is the Face and he knows it and so does Ressler and the FO.

I know how low key this team is with drama and we as fans aren't used to drama between players and coaches. People are overreacting about this. Yes, they had an argument and it was ugly. Yes, both of them handled it wrong. That's just life in the League. 

This is the way i feel too.   I don't know what really was said but saying 'come off the bench or stay home' can't be exactly right.  That's stupid thing to say to any player let alone your franchise player.   

[kg01]

28 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Newsflash for those that need to hear this: There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae. It would take him going public with a trade demand for that to happen and there's no way that's going to happen. Trae is the Face and he knows it and so does Ressler and the FO.

I know how low key this team is with drama and we as fans aren't used to drama between players and coaches. People are overreacting about this. Yes, they had an argument and it was ugly. Yes, both of them handled it wrong. That's just life in the League. 

NBA fans, in general, don't understand how common stuff like this actually is.

"WELL NAME THE LAST TIME A PLAYER SAT OUT A GAME THEN, KG!"

I can't.  Why?  Because teams do a better job of handling this than the Hawks did last week.

Do people not realize the sheer number of arguments and trade requests that happen that we never hear about?  Think about it.  There's probably 5-6 bench guys that think they should be starting.  15 out of 15 guys want more minutes/shots/etc than they're currently getting.

This is a terrible look but we need not pretend this is unique. 

[Spud2nique]

41 minutes ago, Sothron said:

There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae.

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[AHF]

9 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:

That’s not true. 

I’d rather Trae show up and sit on the bench and put the attention back on Nate for not starting/playing him if he felt he was healthy and good to go. That’s an easy sell to both the media and front office.

”Coach was heated, we had some words, but at the end of the day I will always put the letters across my chest first and be there for my teammates. If that’s an issue for coach, I will let him speak on it himself. But this organization, our team, the opportunity to be in this league, it means everything to me. I will always be ready if I feel like there is something I can do to help us win. On the court or off. Nothing will ever stop me from being there for my brothers. I have nothing but respect for the game and for men in this locker room.”

You say this, now Nate is the lone jackass on the island.

PR 101.
You control the narrative when you are present. You lose control to speculation when you’re not. Always get ahead of speculation, find a microphone, make a statement (this day in age, post a tweet). Force the other person’s hand.

Coach made the first statement. Now it’s a thing. Now Trae has to explain himself instead of the other way around. 

Trae does have more power than Nate.  He should have used it better.

You are more optimistic about how this would play out.  I don't disagree with you that the best PR move for Trae would be to show up and cheer for his team forcing Nate to either grit his teeth and let Trae "win" by allowing him to be present without punishing him or forcing Nate to follow through and throw out his star player to be consistent with what he told him before.  But you really don't think people who dislike Trae and get super excited anytime an opportunity to criticize him arises would see that as a power play move vs Nate by a selfish player who wanted to show he could defy the coach by showing up when he was expressly told to stay home?  You are less cynical than me on that.

Regardless of whether that would have pissed Nate off by defying his order or endeared Trae to Nate by showing he put the team first, the two of them need to bury the hatchet and work together as best they can.  I still remain concerned about the offensive design that Nate employs as I was before this incident arose and to the extent that Trae wants to see more ball movement, etc. and Nate doesn't (as relayed by Sothron) then I'm not sure how that can be bridged.  But Trae can at least dig in on defense and try to "agree to disagree" while doing his best to execute the scheme that Nate puts out there.

[Final_quest]

57 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Newsflash for those that need to hear this: There is zero chance the Hawks trade Trae. It would take him going public with a trade demand for that to happen and there's no way that's going to happen. Trae is the Face and he knows it and so does Ressler and the FO.

I know how low key this team is with drama and we as fans aren't used to drama between players and coaches. People are overreacting about this. Yes, they had an argument and it was ugly. Yes, both of them handled it wrong. That's just life in the League. 

We talking about practice.

[Hawkmoor]

16 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We talking about practice.

The LACK of practice is why Iverson never got one of these:

 

“Every drill is a game. Every drill is competitive. And everything we do is against time and score,” Payne told NBA.com. “There’s always a time to beat. There’s always a number to beat. If you beat the number and you don’t beat the time, you still lose.”

https://www.nba.com/news/how-stephen-curry-maintains-peak-conditioning

Edited December 5, 2022 by Hawkmoor

[LucastheThird]

 

Trae's an asshole!

 

Nate will be fired for this!

 

Trae and JC are fighting again!

 

I'd rather have Haliburton!

 

 

 

 

 

Some of y'all need to go do some ayahuasca with Aaron Rodgers and

Edited December 5, 2022 by LucastheThird

[Sothron]

4 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:

 

I miss that show. One of mine and Mrs. Sothron's favorites.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

The LACK of practice is why Iverson never got one of these:

No amount of practice would have turned Allen Iverson into Steph Curry.  That is like saying the reason Clyde Drexler didn't win as many rings as Jordan is because he didn't work as hard.  It may be perfectly true that he didn't work as hard but no amount of work closes the gap between their talent.  AI was a volume scorer with a career .518% TS%.  Curry is the opposite.  He can volume score but he does it with epic efficiency with his .626% TS%.  

AI could never be the player that Curry is.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

48 minutes ago, kg01 said:

NBA fans, in general, don't understand how common stuff like this actually is.

"WELL NAME THE LAST TIME A PLAYER SAT OUT A GAME THEN, KG!"

I can't.  Why?  Because teams do a better job of handling this than the Hawks did last week.

Do people not realize the sheer number of arguments and trade requests that happen that we never hear about?  Think about it.  There's probably 5-6 bench guys that think they should be starting.  15 out of 15 guys want more minutes/shots/etc than they're currently getting.

This is a terrible look but we need not pretend this is unique. 

 

[AHF]

1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

That was actually Trae wearing a wig.  Butler would never have a heated argument with his coach.

[macdaddy]

19 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

This is a great example.   Jimmy tells his coach, during a game and on tv, "the only reason you're relevant is because of Dwayne Wade" and folks are like "well that's just Jimmy".   

[Hawkmoor]

24 minutes ago, AHF said:

No amount of practice would have turned Allen Iverson into Steph Curry.  That is like saying the reason Clyde Drexler didn't win as many rings as Jordan is because he didn't work as hard.  It may be perfectly true that he didn't work as hard but no amount of work closes the gap between their talent.  AI was a volume scorer with a career .518% TS%.  Curry is the opposite.  He can volume score but he does it with epic efficiency with his .626% TS%.  

AI could never be the player that Curry is.

Can Trae?

Edited December 5, 2022 by Hawkmoor

[kg01]

32 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

This is fake news.  Culture Club would never have that happen. 

Clearly a deep fake.  Is that CGI? 

Edited December 5, 2022 by kg01

[bleachkit]

Bottom line is winning cures everything. So if we go on to have a successful season this will be just a blip on the radar screen. If we go to have an unsuccessful season this will be seen as the beginning of the end.

Edited December 5, 2022 by bleachkit